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		<title>Comment on Misrepresentation by Echo</title>
		<link>http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/misrepresentation/#comment-4737</link>
		<dc:creator>Echo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LDS has this view:

FOF said: &quot;it makes me crazy when non-LDS say we believe we are saved BY our works. Statements can certainly be found that can be interpreted that way if a person doesn’t understand our theology or the context of the statement. But such is absolutely not our doctrine. Works are necessary, but they do not do the saving.&quot;

We have this view:

The LDS are saved by their works.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

Okay, so let&#039;s try and clear up where I think the miscommunication comes between the LDS and NON LDS. I think clearing up the miscommunication will hopefully enable better communication.

We believe and say that the LDS is saved by their works. What that means is that we believe that any person who must first overcome their sin in order to be forgiven (as you have stated the LDS believes)is &quot;working&quot; for their forgiveness. That is defined as: &quot;salvation by works&quot; in our view. This is why we say that the LDS is saved by their &quot;works&quot;. This is what it means to us to be saved by works.

The LDS has a different view of what it means to be saved by works than we do and I think this is what is causing the miscommunication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LDS has this view:</p>
<p>FOF said: &#8220;it makes me crazy when non-LDS say we believe we are saved BY our works. Statements can certainly be found that can be interpreted that way if a person doesn’t understand our theology or the context of the statement. But such is absolutely not our doctrine. Works are necessary, but they do not do the saving.&#8221;</p>
<p>We have this view:</p>
<p>The LDS are saved by their works.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Okay, so let&#8217;s try and clear up where I think the miscommunication comes between the LDS and NON LDS. I think clearing up the miscommunication will hopefully enable better communication.</p>
<p>We believe and say that the LDS is saved by their works. What that means is that we believe that any person who must first overcome their sin in order to be forgiven (as you have stated the LDS believes)is &#8220;working&#8221; for their forgiveness. That is defined as: &#8220;salvation by works&#8221; in our view. This is why we say that the LDS is saved by their &#8220;works&#8221;. This is what it means to us to be saved by works.</p>
<p>The LDS has a different view of what it means to be saved by works than we do and I think this is what is causing the miscommunication.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Misrepresentation by Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/misrepresentation/#comment-4736</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Misrepresentation by Echo</title>
		<link>http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/misrepresentation/#comment-4735</link>
		<dc:creator>Echo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t wanting to focus on whether or not God is capable. I would like to focus on forgiveness. 

With God&#039;s help you overcome a sin, you then are forgiven for that sin. Correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t wanting to focus on whether or not God is capable. I would like to focus on forgiveness. </p>
<p>With God&#8217;s help you overcome a sin, you then are forgiven for that sin. Correct?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Misrepresentation by Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/misrepresentation/#comment-4734</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly you&#039;d have to admit God is capable of it, correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly you&#8217;d have to admit God is capable of it, correct?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Misrepresentation by Echo</title>
		<link>http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/misrepresentation/#comment-4733</link>
		<dc:creator>Echo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With God&#039;s help you overcome sin and then you are forgiven, correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With God&#8217;s help you overcome sin and then you are forgiven, correct?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Misrepresentation by Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/misrepresentation/#comment-4732</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repenting is not overcoming sin by yourself Echo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repenting is not overcoming sin by yourself Echo.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Misrepresentation by Echo</title>
		<link>http://markcares.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/misrepresentation/#comment-4731</link>
		<dc:creator>Echo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether by yourself or not, you are forgiven for each of your sins as you overcome those sins, correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether by yourself or not, you are forgiven for each of your sins as you overcome those sins, correct?</p>
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