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08

Status and State

 

     Many of the comments to previous posts are confusing people’s status with their state.  This is a very important distinction.  Take the current discussion about immigration.  Even though millions of people are presently living in the United States and some for many years, they are constantly on guard.  Why?  Because of their status as illegal aliens.  Even if they are doing a fine job at work, even if they are in a state of having a good job and a good life, they know that none of that will matter – that they could still be quickly deported.  All because of their status.

     Status is also very important in my relationship with God.  Because Jesus has paid for all my sins God has formally and legally acquitted me.  That is what the biblical word, “justify” means.  It was a term from the courtroom to describe a judge’s verdict of “not guilty”.  Right now, because of Jesus’ payment for my sins, I have the status of being acquitted.  “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”  (Romans 3:24)

      I have that status of not being acquitted and not being condemned (“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” Romans 8:1), even though, in my current state, I still sin.  I have the status of being perfect in Christ even though I am still in an imperfect state

     And the great thing about it is that my status is more important than my state!  In God’s eye, by virtue of his own verdict, I am not guilty, I am perfect.  All because of Jesus.  I’m going to spend the rest of my life giving him all the glory.

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16 Responses to “Status and State”


  1. 1 Berean
    August 29, 2008 at 4:23 am

    Yes, that’s it.

    Status: perfect
    State: sinner

    Christians are obeying the command of Matthew 5:48. We are currently perfect because of what Christ has already done for us (Hebrews 10:14). We are still sinners (1 John 1:8). Christ, our advocate (1 John 2:1) to the Father. This is a legal term. When the Father sees me by myself he declares me guilty. When my advocate, Jesus, stands in front of me the Father (the Judge) no longer sees me, but sees Jesus instead. What does He see? Perfection. And because of that the Father declares me “not guilty” – not based on anything I have done, but purely on what Christ did all by Himself.

  2. 2 Stephanie
    August 29, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Thanks, Berean, for your awesome comments!

  3. September 2, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    This is a very clearly written post. You’ve stated the role of the Atonement very well, but with one problem. The status of “perfect” isn’t permanent, it only applies so long as an individual keeps up his part of the bargain; that part is minimal, it is only to have faith in Christ. But it’s not a one time deal, it’s a lifelong commitment. (I know, here we go again)

    I think you confuse walking the straight and narrow path with fulfilling every commandment and law perfectly and on your own. All a person needs to do is recognize their need for a Savior, believe that Christ is that Savior, repent of their ways, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost, and then continue down that path of following Christ. You don’t have to be sinless, just continue in faith and Christ does the rest.

    The scriptures are full of examples of this pattern. How many times were the covenant people of the Lord punished for not keeping their end of the promise? Coming out of Egypt the children of Israel were promised entry to the promised land, but lost that promise due to disobedience; even though the Lord had done His part in delivering them from bondage. Is that not symbolic for reaching heaven? Paul admonished Timothy: “Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity”. Paul also proclaimed that he had “kept the faith”. The Savior told His apostles to teach His followers to do everything He taught. It’s recorded in Matt 28:20 – “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”. If you have nothing else to go on it’s a pretty clear the Savior wants us to follow His teachings.

    Also, it’s not hard or stressful to do this. In Matt 11:28 we have this incredible invitation from the Savior: “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest”. When we struggle to have faith or follow teachings, we don’t need more will power, instead we need to allow Christ to take our burden for us by letting go of our own will. He stands ready and willing to help any who ask.

    Matt 7:13-14 – “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

  4. 4 Berean
    September 2, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    I see that Reggie must have been a student of Stephen Robinson at BYU or read his books. I hear a familiar ring with his post that sounds a lot like a “Robinsonian” statement that the Mormons are saying these days:

    “Mormons do their best, Jesus does the rest.”

    That’s nice. One question: Are you doing your best? I’ve never heard a Mormon say “yes”. In that case, I guess Jesus can’t do his part. Remember the last thread where I asked those important questions that our LDS friends didn’t like and never answered? Here it is again:

    When are you going to start fulfilling 2 Nephi 25:23 and complete “after all you can do”? Until you do your part, according to Mormon law, Jesus can’t do anything for you.

    The command of Matthew 5:48, 3 Nephi 12:48 and JST Matt 5:50 is “Be ye perfect”…period. It’s not when you get around to it or when you feel like it. God demands perfection right now. Right this very minute. Mormonism teaches its members that they can BECOME perfect. That is not what the text says. The Atonement? Yes, that’s in Heb 10:10 where it says:

    “…we are sanctified by the offering of Jesus Christ’s body once for all.”

    Mormons are not meeting Heavenly Father’s demand for perfection right now. That is why they are not qualified to be with Him for all eternity. Because of that, just like Reggie said, they are headed right where Matthew 7:13-14 says: outer darkness. Reggie, I have to hand it to you. You’re the first Mormon I’ve ever seen reference that verse. Most are shocked when they read it for the first time and think on it. If one does it completely destroys the Mormon’s teaching of all mankind being in one of the Mormon degrees of glory. Most are headed to outer darkness because that is the wide road. Eternal life with God is the narrow road and gate and few will enter it. Those in Mormonism are on the big road to the big gate because they are not currently perfect, they have followed a false god who is an exalted man living near Kolob and a false Jesus who can’t atone them for all their sins without something being done on their part first (just for starters).

  5. September 2, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Hmm, I actually was not a student of Stephen Robinson, nor have I read his books. I do live by him and went to school with his kids, but I don’t think that matters here anyway.

    So Beraen you really cling to Christ’s statement about being perfect (which I’m not discounting), but ignore the others about us needing to follow all of His teachings. Would you care to elaborate?

    Also, LDS do believe they’re doing fine, or at least they should. We don’t have to be truer than true to enable Christ’s gift in our lives. I can appreciate the mercy point of view that is so strong among evangelicals; LDS should talk about it more (it’s clearly outlined in the scriptures), and you should not forget to do your part.

    The concept of the narrow gate and strait path is understood clearly by us LDS folks; perhaps you’re familiar with the “iron rod” story?

    Can you elaborate on what lessons we can learn from the exodus? What is the point of that major event being included in the Bible?

    What is the difference between the statement about needing to have faith to be saved by grace and being saved by grace after all that you can do? Absolutely nothing, they’re the same statement written with different words.

    How does the place of God’s residence have anything to bear on whether one can understand the gospel and live it? Another example of taking a non-central teaching and way over emphasizing it’s importance.

  6. 6 Berean
    September 3, 2008 at 12:21 am

    Reggie,

    I’ll be happy to elaborate. Where would you like to start? Obeying the commandments and all of Christ’s teachings? Are you following all of his teachings? Are you obeying all the commandments (1 Nephi 3:7)? If not, you won’t be forgiven (D&C 1:32). Christians are all about obedience as I have said many times. The difference is that we obey from the heart (Rom 6:17; Psa 40:8) out of gratitude because we know that nothing we could try to do on our own by our human efforts is going to please God (Rom 3:10,12,23; Isa 64:6). The commandments showed us our utter futility in trying to keep them and they gave us the knowledge of sin (Rom 3:20). Only Christ could keep all of the commandments perfectly. We will not be justified by the law (Gal 2:16). One violation of any commandment is to break them all (James 2:10). Your attempts at commandment keeping are disgusting in God’s sight because it shows a lack of complete dependency on Christ who was perfect for you. If Mormons had gratitude for Jesus and what He did for them they would never say this:

    “We always pray to our Father in heaven, and to him alone. We do not pray to the Savior or to anyone else. To do so would be disrespectful of Heavenly Father and an indication that we do not properly understand the relationship of the members of the Godhead. (Missionary Preparation Student Manual Religion 130, page 40)

    No matter how good people think they are, if they are not perfect, they are under God’s curse (Gal 3:10) and have earned outer darkness (Rom 6:23). Christ didn’t come here to show us how to be perfect, He came here to be perfect for us. That is how I can say that I am perfect. If you are trying to reach Heavenly Father any other way rather than accepting Christ’s perfection as you’re own you will spend eternity in outer darkness. Eternal life is a gift – not a reward. He perfected us by His offering (Heb 10:14) – not us perfecting ourselves by doing good works or ritual?

    If the text in Matthew 7:13-14 “is understood clearly by us LDS folks”, then why do Mormons think nobody is going to outer darkness but Satan, his angels and a handful of apostates? The text says most people are heading there – not to one of the three imaginary three degrees of glory. The doctrine of outer darkness is unknown to many Mormons because they don’t think they are going there under any circumstances!

    The “Iron Rod” and the “Exodus” accounts? Nice try with the Mormon “rabbit trails”. That is not the topic of this thread. However, I would be willing to answer those questions when you answer my questions that I asked of you in the “Miracle of Conversion” thread that brought silence to this blog for days and still won’t be answered by out LDS friends here. Must be a sensitive issue when Mormons realize they can’t answer “yes” to knowing if they have eternal life now.

    There is a big difference between Ephesians 2:8-9 and 2 Nephi 25:23. Again, the Christian take on 2 Nephi 25:23 is this: WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE BEFORE WE COULD DO ANYTHING. Mormons reject saved by grace:

    “The phrase ‘after all we can do’ teaches that effort is required on our part to receive of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with him.” (True to the Faith, page 77)

    “When he (Jesus Christ” became our Savior, he did his part to help us return to our heavenly home. It is now up to each of us to do our part and become worthy of exaltation.” (Gospel Principles, page 19)

    Christians are justified by faith alone (Rom 3:28; 5:1). Our works and nothing we do is going to cut it and be pleasing to Him (Rom 11:6; Titus 3:5). It is our faith and that alone. In Mormonism you get grace:

    AFTER you have denied yourselves of all ungodliness. (Moroni 10:32) Have you done that?
    AFTER you have become perfect(3 Nephi 12:48). Have you done this?
    AFTER you have done “after all you can do” (2 Nephi 25:23). Have you done all you can do?
    AFTER you have obeyed all the commandments (1 Nephi 3:7). Are you doing this?
    AFTER you have removed all sin in your life since Christ can save you in your sin (Alma 11:37).
    AFTER you have repented and forsaken all sin (D&C 58:42-43). Have you abandoned all sin?
    AFTER your former sins have not returned (D&C 82:7). Are they all gone?

    You have got a lot of work to do on your own before you get any of Christ’s grace according to the Mormon scriptures. In Christianity, we don’t have contigencies and a list. We are redeemed on what we believe and who that belief is in for our eternal gift of eternal life – Christ.

    How does the place of God’s residence have anything to bear on whether one can understand the gospel and live it? It bears a great deal. If you have the wrong god who is the imagination of Joseph Smith, then all the rest of this doesn’t matter. You are lost. The God of the Bible is not an exalted man who had heavenly parents on some other planet who was a sinner himself, eternally progressed and lives near a fictional place called Kolob with his plural wives spending his days in celestial sex bringing spirit children into existence. I have been waiting for anyone in the LDS Church to show me this fundamental teaching from the Bible or even the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith said that knowing that god is an exalted man is the first principle of the gospel. I’ve given you the references before. Please look them up along with the verses cited here. The LDS people need to wise up and wake up to the core teachings of its church. Yeah, they may not talk about it. Why is that? Deception runs deep. If they keep you busy with Mormon activities and trying to do “after all you can do” then you won’t have time to focus on the important things. If you have the nature of God wrong, you are lost for all eternity.

  7. September 3, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    So what “status” does someone who believes but doesn’t follow any of the commandments have?

  8. September 3, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    “If you have the wrong god who is the imagination of Joseph Smith, then all the rest of this doesn’t matter. You are lost.”

    I disagree Berean. I do not think that God damns people over a case of mistaken identity.

  9. 9 Berean
    September 4, 2008 at 1:50 am

    Seth,

    There are a lot of “gods” out there, but only one true God. If one chooses to worship and follow a false god they will be held eternally responsible for that. If that wasn’t the case, then why did Jesus need to come here if all the followers of all the false religions of the world could just worship any god they wanted to and in the end just get a “free pass” from the true God of the Bible? What the Mormons believe about the nature of God is completely opposite from what is taught in the Bible.

    What Joseph Smith taught early on about God became quite different as the years progressed. By the time he gave the King Follet Discourse he was way out there when compared to what he wrote in “Lectures on Faith” especially lecture no.5 (which was part of the 1835 Doctrines and Covenants and remained until it was removed in 1921).

    What you think that God thinks is just your opinion and doesn’t matter. In the end, it’s what God says that matters. He is the final judge. I’m sure at the judgement many will try to plead their case but the book of Revelation says that they will all be thrown in the lake of fire forever (Rev 20:15) for not accepting the God of the Bible that has been plainly revealed to them (Rom 1:17-25).

  10. 10 Berean
    September 4, 2008 at 4:42 am

    Reggie,

    You want the short answer to your question? They have nothing. They have not been spiritually regenerated. They are fakes…frauds. These are the ones that Christ mentions in Matthew 7:21-23: “Depart from me for I never knew you.”

    The expanded answer:

    Somehow Mormons think that Christians just say that they believe in Christ and then just do what they want. I hear this over and over again. I don’t know who or what group of so-called “Christians” you are referring to, but they are imitators. For those that have accepted Christ as Savior and have been born again (John 3:3), spiritually regenerated, they are new creatures in Him and the old things are put away and the new is put on (2 Cor 5:17). That is what James 2 is all about. Our works CONFIRM saving faith – not CONTRIBUTE to saving faith. If we say that we have faith and it’s not evident by our actions then it’s obvious that we haven’t truly been redeemed and are only playing games with the Savior. Our works are the outward sign of an inward regeneration.

    Who sees our works? Mankind does. Look at James 2:21. Abraham was justified by his works by whom? As seen by man. Manking can’t see our hearts and judge us there. Only God can and we can’t fool Him there. He knows if one is truly there. Mankind can only judge what they see on the outside. You know – our “fruits”. That’s why in v.24 it says that Abraham was justified by his works. Yes, he was justified before men. Earlier in v.23 it says he Abraham was imputed righteousness on His belief in God (also mentioned in Gen 15:6). Back to v.24: It is the righteous works as the necessary proof of faith – not the path to salvation. Mormons place the “cart of good works” BEFORE “the horse of faith”. The Bible is clear that we are justified by faith (Rom 5:1) and saved by grace alone apart from works (Eph 2:8-10).

    I don’t obey the commandments because of the law because we are not justified by it (Gal 2:16). I obey the commandments not because I am told to, but because I want to. That is the difference. Can I obey all of the commandments? No…nobody can. It’s impossible to keep all the commandments perfectly. Only Christ can do this. The commandments gave us the knoweledge (awareness) of sin (Rom 3:20). I obey the commandments because of what Christ did for me. I obey the commandments because I love Jesus Christ. I obey the commandments out of gratitude for what Christ did for me. He did completely what I could not do for myself. There is nothing I could have done or could do now to warrant any special favor with God. My righteousness and works are as filthy rags in his sight (Isa 64:6).

    Why would I want to deliberatly sin agains the One that died for me on the cross and paid a debt completely in full that I could not? Why would I want to hurt Him? I realize that I am will and am going to sin each and everyday in some way or another. There isn’t a time I don’t pray that I don’t ask forgiveness for daily sin. I am deeply troubled and spiritually convicted when I know that I have sinned against the Lord and it pains me to know that I have pained the Savior. For me, that is the inner sign that I have that assures me that I have the Holy Spirit (as defined in Christianity) convicting me of my sin and that lets me know that I am one of his children (John 1:12). When I see fakes and frauds out there claiming to be believers in Christ and yet have no regard by outward signs (as seen by man) of an inward regeneration of the Savior I can’t help but to question what is going on. Christians will not willfully engage and continue in sin. Those that do are “wolves in sheep clothing”. Christ is knows who these people are and they will be “weeded” out in the judgement and told “depart from me for I never knew you.”

  11. September 4, 2008 at 5:33 am

    “Our works CONFIRM saving faith – not CONTRIBUTE to saving faith.”

    From a practical standpoint, that seems like a distinction without a difference.

    The end result is exactly the same.

  12. 12 markcares
    September 4, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Seth:
    Help me to understand your point of view. If God doesn’t damn people for a case of mistaken identify, are there any consequences for not beleving in the right God? Many today feel that all roads lead to heaven and, in the end, it doesn’t matter what road you are on. Is that your belief?

  13. September 6, 2008 at 4:24 am

    No.

    But I do believe that God is merciful to those who never had a chance of knowing Him. I believe there are other chances to receive saving knowledge and ordinances.

    What I am really talking about here is the common Evangelical idea that if you die without confessing Jesus, that’s it – off to hell with you! I do reject that notion. Do you adhere to it?

  14. 14 Stephanie
    September 6, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Seth,

    As a Christian, I realize that God’s ways are much higher than my ways. Although this is frustrating sometimes, I trust that God is who He says He is. God says He is merciful, just, holy, perfect, good, eternal, etc… Because I trust in the attributes of God, I am able to leave the answers to some big philosophical questions in God’s Hands. I am able to wait for understanding after this life. When people bring up difficult questions (such as infant death, or people who have never heard the gospel) it doesn’t shake my faith because I don’t need to know the answer. I already know that whatever the answer is, it will be merciful, just, holy, perfect, good, eternal etc… The answer will fit perfectly within the attributes of God.

    As a Christian, I do not believe that “all roads lead to heaven.” I believe that salvation is found only through faith in Christ, which is a gift from God, not earned in any way through human efforts. However, whenever I am confronted with those difficult theological / philosophical questions, I remember that God’s ways are higher than my ways. And I firmly trust that God’s answer will be in perfect harmony with His attributes.

    Only God knows the hearts of men. Humans can only see the outward actions of men upon which to base judgements. Ultimately, as a Christian, I can never say for certain who is a true believer and who is a nominal Christian. As a Christian, I can honestly say that I do not know what happens to an infant who dies. I also think these types of questions are irrelevant to the main focus.

    The focus here is “mistaken identity.” The attributes of a god do matter. It is important to search and find the one, true God because your salvation depends on it. Believing that God was once a man, that he has a physical body, and that there are many many gods, is paganism and polytheism. I’m sorry if that offends you, but it is the truth. Christianity (even the doctrine of the Trinity) worships one God only. There are no other gods, human or otherwise. The doctrine of the Trinity is difficult (actually impossible) for our small minds to comprehend, but it is supported by the Bible. It is another example of God’s ways being higher than our ways.

    On a side note, I actually find the doctrine of the Trinity fascinating. God has relationship within himself! He was able to say, “Let us create man in our image,” because He was referring to the plurality of himself. He created humans in his image in one sense that we desire relationship. Humans are designed for fellowship with each other because God is all about relationship within Himself.

    If you are worshipping a different “god,” you really aren’t worshipping God at all. You are worshipping an idol. God Himself condemns idol worship.

  15. September 7, 2008 at 12:04 am

    “As a Christian, I realize that God’s ways are much higher than my ways.”

    Stephanie, I don’t mind that answer. I really don’t.

    What I do mind is that people refuse to allow me, as a Mormon, to use it regarding things that I don’t fully comprehend about God. The moment I try to claim that things are a mystery, I immediately get some counter-cultist jumping all over me about how duped I am.

    How would you feel if I responded to your statement above, with ridicule and accused you and your church of being doctrinally lazy, or of not reading your Bible enough, or of drinking the Protestant cool-aid? Would you feel I was being fair to you?

    Of course you wouldn’t.

    So I don’t get why Protestants think it’s just fine and dandy to jump all over me for not getting a few things either.

    And, for the record, the problem of evil IS just as fundamental and core as understanding the attributes of God. In fact, the problem of evil is indistinguishable from determining the attributes of God. So, if you want to punt on this one, I can respect that.

    But you had better extend me the same courtesy. Otherwise you would just be a hypocrite.

  16. 16 Stephanie
    September 7, 2008 at 2:11 am

    Hello again Seth,

    I have reconciled the problem of evil because the Bible does address that topic, actually. I have heard the traditional problem of evil stated like this, “If God is all good, and all powerful, and all knowing, then why does evil exist?” Is this the question to which you refer? Many people try to disprove the existence of God with this question, but they never ask themselves another important question. “Is there a purpose for suffering?”

    The Bible talks a lot about suffering. God allows suffering, and occasionally He even causes suffering, but He never enjoys suffering.

    Obviously, the majority of suffering is caused by sinful human action, such as murder, adultery, kidnapping, drunk driving… bad human choices. A second cause is Satan. 1 Peter 5:8 “Be vigilant, because your adversary the devil like a roaring lion walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” However, curiously, God Himself sometimes causes suffering to bring about His own good pruposes, often purposes that we don’t understand. This does not mean that God enjoys our suffering. No where does the Bible suggest that God enjoys our suffering. Rather, the sin of Adam is the root cause of all human suffering.

    For example, Job 1:21, “The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away. May the name of the Lord be praised.” (This is in reference to Job’s entire life being destroyed because God allowed Satan to destroy it.)

    Psalm 119:75 “I know your laws are righteous, and in faithfulness you have afflicted me.” Wow. Here the Bible flat-out calls God faithful for afflicting someone with suffering.

    Job 2:10, “Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?” This is very humbling! We have no right to become angry with God when bad things happen to us.

    However, when it comes to the problem of evil, lack of faith or weak faith has nothing to do with it. Suffering is not a punishment for sin. Because Christ’s death already paid for our sins, there is no need for any further punishment. This is a relief for those who anguish over certain past sins and feel guilty when something bad happens to them. They can know that because of Christ, their suffering is not a result of past sins. Christ’s death already paid for all sins, for all time.

    God uses suffering for His purposes, usually to conform us more into the image of His son. Psalm 119:67,71 “Before I was afflicted, I went astray, but now I obey your word… It was good for me to be afflicted so that I might learn your decrees.”

    Suffering purifies and strengthens our faith. Hebrews 12:5-7, “My son, do make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplines by his father?… God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, it produces a harvest of peace and righteousness for those who have been trained by it.”

    Suffering also forces us to look outside ourselves, to God, for help. Suffering re-establishes our priorities.

    What does the Bible say about the “correct” response to suffering? First, acceptance. 1 Peter 4:12-13 “Do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as thought something strange were happening to you. But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.” Romans 8:18 “I consider our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.”

    Second, our response should be trust. Job 13:15, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in Him.” See also Matthew 6:27. Psalms 31:14,25 and Psalm 62:8.

    Thirdly, we should pray. A lack of trust results in a failure to pray. Psalm 5:3 “In the morning, O Lord, you hear my voice; in the morning I lay my requests before you and wait in expectation.” Psalm 50:15, “Call upon me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you will honor me.” Psalm 145:18-20, “The Lord is near to all who call on him.”

    God uses suffering to produce many fruits. Romans 5:3-4, “We also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope.” Those who suffer also experience a harvest of righteousness and peace, as references above. Those who suffer become more Christlike, and their faith is purified and strengthened. Suffering may even release a person from the fear of death.

    As you can see, the “problem of evil” is definitely addressed in the Bible. Those who think this problem nullifies the existence of God haven’t ever cracked a Bible, I’m pretty sure of that. It’s the areas that the Bible does not address, such as infant death or people never hearing the gospel, that remain fuzzy for me. But as I said earlier, I have complete trust that God’s solution will be holy, just, merciful, and good because He is holy, just, merciful, and good.

    Because we exist in a state of sin, and we live in a sinful world, there will always be suffering here in this world. People tend to forget, conveniently, that Adam’s act of disobedience ushered in all the sin/evil/suffering that exists today. Instead, we look to God with this “problem” of evil, with a big question mark, when if fact, we are the problem. Adam’s sin was the problem, and each one us born with that sin is the problem. There will never be a world without suffering.

    However, Christ came to rescue us from our sin and from the eternal consequences of that sin. Now, when God (heavenly father) looks at us, He sees Christ’s perfection in our place. So from God’s perspective, we have perfect status, even though here on the earth we continue to exist in a state of sin. So our ultimate problem, our ultimate “suffering: so to speak, has been cured for us by Christ. That is also why God is known as “The Great Physician.” This term was popular years ago, but it has fallen out of use recently. God is called the Great Physician because He healed us from our eternal wound, which would send us all to hell for eternity.

    Does this explanation of evil and sin help clarify things a little?


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