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My Second Week in Provo

We are wrapping up our second and final week in Provo.  Close to 50 people joined us as we went door to door testifying to our perfection in Christ.  We reached thousands of homes and had hundreds of good conversations.  Dozens of people expressed interest in our message and thanked us (sometimes with tears) for telling them that Jesus had done everything for them to be worthy and acceptable to God.  A surprising number of people gave us their contact information so that we can continue the conversation in the weeks and months ahead.

We found it interesting how varied were the initial responses to our message.  Some immediately stated that they believed that they had to keep the commandments to be worthy while others first responded by saying that they believed like we did.  It was only after we got deeper into the conversation did they acknowledge differences.  Most surprising was how so many agreed that they themselves or their close friends were very stressed out by their striving to be worthy.  More than one person just pointed to themselves when we brought that topic up.

Yes, we did meet some people who were angry at us because of our message.  But they were few and far between.  It was much more common for us to meet somebody who wanted to talk to us and learn more about our beliefs.

It is my prayer that the Holy Spirit will cause the thousands of seeds we sowed in Provo the last two weeks to blossom into the saving faith that trusts solely in Jesus’ works for acceptance by God.

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30 Responses to “My Second Week in Provo”


  1. August 10, 2012 at 2:34 am

    What wonderful news Mark. There’s no love on earth that even compares with the Love of God in that Jesus had done everything for them to be worthy and acceptable to God.

  2. August 10, 2012 at 2:48 am

    Hey, Mark. How much longer are you in Provo? I have read your book and we even corresponded several years ago when I was in college. You wrote a brief foreword for a booklet I was handing out. I’m now a church planter here in Provo and would love a chance to meet you in person.

  3. 3 Martha Golden
    August 10, 2012 at 4:49 am

    Praise God for the work He is doing in Provo. May it be fruitful through eternity.

  4. August 10, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    Mark, God will surely bless your efforts in Provo, those dear people need to know about the Gospel.
    They’ve been detoured by men claiming to be Jesus’ modern-day apostles who have convinced them
    to accept a law system which was wrapped up and labeled “Gospel of Jesus”. Despite the
    efforts of Mormon apologists , both professional and amateur, to craft the dialogue with angles that
    sounds less “mormon ” by talking less about works and more about grace etc, yet this has failed to
    convince so many LDS . They know by their own church experience of striving to be accepted by God
    and live with Him eternally in heaven requires a lot of work, to merit/earn that , they know deep
    down they will never measure up for this highest blessing. These are the people I hope you have run
    into and have listened to your message about Jesus , in the last several years there has a so many
    LDS who have become inactive they need to know there is a better way to be accepted by God than
    by striving to earnestly keep all the standards that comprise the system Mormons call the gospel
    of Jesus . God bless your ministry Mark , because the Mormon people deserve to hear the your
    message .

  5. 5 joshtried
    August 10, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    WW: “They know by their own church experience of striving to be accepted by God and live with Him eternally in heaven requires a lot of work, to merit/earn that , they know deep down they will never measure up for this highest blessing.”

    I am LDS. I know deep down i WILL measure up to everything i have accepted, and i know also what i have rejected.

    I was told to no longer post my email address.. the truth hurts i guess. perhaps this blog just isnt getting the same amount of traffic without a Mormon to bash. In any event, i post a recent encounter i had with my grandparents, since that post isnt going to be allowed..

    There are differences with every religion. As i spoke with my Grandparents this week (and man do they HATE LDS as a religion..), the very discussion of everything Christ can do came up. It was interesting that without me getting very into it (they were leading the discussion) they were sharing with me how people had it all wrong if they thought they didnt have to accept what Christ did, how He did do everything ON HIS SIDE, but how we had to “do our part.” They arent even LDS and they recognize this…

    I can tell just how much “work” yall like to do, simply by the actions past from this blog. I have given you the keys to unequivocally change every single LDS persons viewpoint/faith in one fail swoop. Instead you choose to twist and deceive others about the true nature of God. God says “come unto me”, not “just sit there while i do everything for you.” You do have HALF of the puzzle correct, but presenting it as the WHOLE puzzle is wrong in so many ways. I just hope that you see the errors of your way before it is to late.

  6. 6 JBR
    August 11, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Mark,
    We appreciate that you are taking the truth that is revealed in the Bible to so many to those who don’t hear it because of the stress of proving oneself worthy.

    The seed of truth being sown will not be fruitless …. God will turn those to Him as he choses according to his grace.

  7. August 11, 2012 at 12:43 am

    Josh said: “I am LDS. I know deep down i WILL measure up to everything i have accepted, and i know also what i have rejected. ”

    Josh, if you know you will measure up, why aren’t you measuring up now?

  8. August 11, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Hi Josh, if the testimonies we hear from former Mormons is worth something ( I believe they are ) then
    the life of many sincere LDS is filled with inner stress in trying to please God by trying to be consistent
    in keeping all the rules, laws, commands , that is the Mormon gospel system. Obviously there are LDS
    who would disagree with this , but I happen to think that Mormonism produces this experience for most
    LDS sooner or later. You mentioned something about the amount of traffic on this blog. I don’t think that
    the volume of traffic on a blog is to be equated with the quality of information on a blog, but that’s my
    opinion. You also insinuated that Mormons are bashed here, while I happen to know that it was a Mormon
    (Joseph Smith) who first begin bashing those in other churches , still I guess it depends on what you mean
    by bashing” ” The Mormon people are great , MormonISM though , is’nt . Now I really did’nt fully understand
    your point with what you said about the discussion with your Grandparents. The New Testament is clear that
    we absolutely MUST DO OUR PART to receive eternal life—-we must repent and surrender our wills to God
    that’s far and away the hardest thing for a human TO DO . You’re correct on Jesus asking us to ” come to me”
    for salvation. By doing this we receive His righteousness credited to us —Phil 3:9, it could,nt happen unless
    we come to Him . It’s exciting to be forgiven , to receive the gift of eternal life by coming to Jesus , this is
    by our faith (trust) and His grace . Now pardoned and completely forgiven we then get to bring glory to Him
    by our deeds and lifestyle. Lastly, I’m not out to twist and deceive others . I point people to Jesus and
    encourage them to read the what the N.T. apostles taught rather than follow “modern-day” apostles
    headquartered in S.L.C. Big difference .
    Take care. WW

  9. 9 joshtried
    August 11, 2012 at 6:36 am

    WW, you write like there was no civilization before JS… Bashing has been around quite a while. Yes, JS said you are all wrong, and i say it too. We dont necessarily pick on any one person the way yall have. I recently began refuting Luther with Biblical text, mostly with things that create a paradox. Yall try and do that and fail. Christ said “follow me” and do what God has said. You know… That whole “law” thing mormons talk about. Then there is choice in the matter of salvation. Your Christian side cant even make up its mind and speak with one voice on this matter. You have a wide enough birth to say anything and there is a fool out there who will believe it. And if he doesnt, dont worry because another Christian sect will say whatever falls in line with what the fool knows. The fool gets to stay believing whatever he wants, theres an app for it…
    As i have pointed out countless times, saying one mormon feels bad does not quantify bad teachings. It quantifies a bad student. How many people here got a 100% on every single test through school? None of us. Is it because our book was wrong? Or was it because we were satisfied with a 95%, or an 80%, or a passing grade period? Those people that feel bad do so because they have not chosen to live righteous. The heart wants what it wants, and theirs is a carefree life. They dont want the rules, though they know the rules are correct. They are comforted by the man that comes to the door and says “hey, those rules dont matter. Follow me.” Making someone feel better about themselves doesnt mean you are doing the correct thing. If that were the case, there would be absolutely no need at all for organized religion. Organized religion should not pander to the masses. It should show them what God did and what God expects.

    By the way echo, yes i used “will” for a reason.. Let us think on this for a moment. If i AM cleansed of all my sins at this very moment, and i AM the son of God (even through adoption), would i not immediately become a worth sacrifice for humanity? Am i not now sinless? Am i not now the son of God? What do i lack to be savior at this very moment? If Gods will is immutable throughout all beings, and i am here writing this message, am i not performing the will of my father?
    Or perhaps i am not dead yet, and it remains possible to lose these things which are promised. So, until the time when i can no longer lose these things, “will” remains in effect.

  10. 10 joshtried
    August 11, 2012 at 6:40 am

    To summerize echo, if i measured up now, my name would be Jesus Christ, not Joshua Williams

  11. 11 joshtried
    August 11, 2012 at 6:43 am

    I once went walking door to door with some mormon elders.
    Yes, we did meet some people who were angry at us because of our message.  But they were few and far between.  It was much more common for us to meet somebody who wanted to talk to us and learn more about our beliefs.

    I guess i win now?

  12. August 11, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Josh, Let me comment on some of your reply. It appears that you believe that since bashing
    others has been around for a long time that therefore that makes Joseph Smith’s bashing of others ok ?
    Thanks for agreeing with what I said , namely, that in reference to Mormon and non- Mormons bashing
    each other that he started this behavior . Then you said : “we” don’t necessarily pick on any one person
    the way ya’ll have. ” Am I to assume that by saying ” we” that you are speaking for all Mormons on this ?
    You are correct about Jesus saying ” come unto me ” but I don’t think He ever asked anyone to come
    unto Him and keep ” the whole law thing ” for salvation . I’m stickin with Jn3:15-18 and such scriptures.
    I have to ask you about calling anyone a “fool” if they believe what I tell them about spiritual things , is this
    what you’re saying ? So I’m a basher of Mormons and now a partner with fools? Any other kind words
    left in your heart for me ? What’s really sad is that in your second paragraph you went to great
    lengths to castigate the many LDS who have become disillusioned with Mormonism and left or
    become inactive simply because you think they were some sort of slackers , not righteous. That’s what I
    see you implying. I’ve heard this rhetoric before by Mormons towards former members , that’s a terrible
    judgement to make . It just might be that good decent people found out the truth of what striving to
    keep all the rules, laws , commands promoted by their leaders actually leads to —-, guilt, and futility .
    It just might be that these people decided to test their modern-day apostles’ gospel with that
    taught by Jesus’ original apostles in the N.T. and found out that they had been detoured by their
    modern-day apostles into embracing another gospel —Gal.1:8 . May one day you understand the
    liberating experience of embracing the truth of verses like Eph 2:8-10 , because the gospel that Jesus’
    apostles preached is still mighty to save to the uttermost all whom come to Jesus and ask .
    WW

  13. 13 joshtried
    August 11, 2012 at 11:56 am

    They must come to Jesus and ask? That sure doesnt sound like the christianity that mark here is slinging. Perhaps you have it wrong? But mark wont correct you, and neither will echo. And none of you see anything wrong with that. “The truth must be spread, just not all in one place or someone might get the wrong idea…”

  14. August 11, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Josh, evidently you did’nt understand what I said . It was in reference to where Jesus said, ” Come unto Me”.
    You cited that statement by Jesus I merely gave you my understanding of it which is that forgiveness and
    receiving salvation is available if we come to Jesus and ask . This theme is seen in other scriptural verses: J14:13,14 ; Acts 7:59-60 ; Rom 10:9-13 . Come to Jesus because God is ready to pardon and save us when
    we come by WAY of His Son —Jn 14:6
    Now I’m not above correction if I’m wrong , but you might start concentrating on what Mark’s ministry is
    saying about how a person can be completely forgiven and receive eternal life rather than trying to
    pit us against each other . Thanks. WW

  15. 15 Kent
    August 11, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Josh, there is no disagreement among us on what the gospel of Jesus Christ is regardless if some of us believe that we choose to believe in Jesus and what He alone did to save us as it is exactly the same fullness of the gospel, that Jesus died on the cross and rose again on the third day.

    Personally, I believe, that after hearing the gospel, we can reject it to our own peril but, as I said, it is the same gospel regardless on how it gets into our hearts.

    All of us regulars here, Mark, Echo W.W., JBR, myself, and other Christians who contritubute agree that the fullness of the gospel was never lost, that it didn’t need to be restored, and that the extra stuff the Mormon Church has added on top of it is not only not needed but actually draws people away from the fullness of the gospel that Jesus died on the cross to save us, sinners who can never ever save ourselves, and that He rose again on the third day.

    We also all agree that when we say saved we mean eternal life but minus anyone ever becoming gods themselves and that saved (eternal life) means we are guaranteed to be with Heavenly Father forever based soley on our faith in Christ and what He did to save us. We believe He took the punishment we deserve for us, that He paid the price for us, and we believe Him when he said that it is finished, that once and for all nothing needs to be done again!

    Josh, In addition, all of us agree on who Jesus Christ is, that He has always been nothing short of God, that He was never a created being, that He is the creator through whom all things were made, not just this earth, and that He was never the spirit brother of Lucifer whose salvation plan was accepted over His brother’s plan who rebelled who then became the devil.

    John 1:1-3

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

    In closing again:

    SAVED=ETERNAL LIFE!
    BY NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

  16. August 12, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Kent, I especially liked your comment about the fact that we believe that the true gospel was never lost, that
    it therefore certainly did’nt need to be restored in 1830 , and that the extra stuff that Mormon apostles have
    added to it is not only needed but actually draws people away from the fullness of the true gospel . You
    hit the nail on the head . Mormon authorities claim to have restored the very same gospel that Paul
    preached ,so years ago I tested this claim by examining their teaching track record from when the gospel
    allegedly was restored in 1830 by God through the first Mormon prophet. While the gospel these men have
    preached did contain parts of Paul’s gospel , it also had been altered by their inserting their own ideas onto
    it. This behavior diluted the true gospel which Jesus’ original apostles taught and rendered it unable
    to save those who would accept it . Thus Mormon leaders succumbed to the behavior that Paul
    warned about long ago —Gal.1:8 i.e. the “precepts of men ” taught as truth [compare 2 Nephi 28:14,31 ] .
    This new gospel though advertised as the “restored ” gospel by Mormon leaders is actually a Knock -off
    a good imitation of the true gospel of salvation. Paul preached the true gospel that delivered a complete
    salvation to all those who embraced it in his missionary travels —-Rom 1:16; Col.1:23 .
    So , what Mormon apostles offer is not Paul’s gospel restored rather it is Paul’s gospel revised.
    Sincere people who have accepted the gospel of Mormonism have been short changed , they
    are detoured by alleged “modern-day” apostles into receiving another gospel —see Gal. 1 :8-9.
    May God help them to find the true saving gospel , this ministry of Mark’s is here for just that reason .

  17. 17 Kent
    August 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    W.W., Paul actually says in 1 Corin. 15 what the gospel is.

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4

    1 Moreover, brethren, I DECLARE TO YOU THE GOSPEL WHICH I PREACHED TO YOU, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

    3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, 4 AND THAT HE WAS BURIED, AND THAT HE ROSE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES

    Some Mormons have said that Paul was just saying he first gave the first principles of the gospel to the Corinthians but he was not saying that, they are reading into the passages something that isn’t there to make it fit Mormonism and, no, it isn’t a matter of interpretation because if he was just declaring to them the first principles of the gospel, he would have said so.

    In closing again:

    SAVED=ETERNAL LIFE!

    BY NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

  18. 18 markcares
    August 12, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Yesterday I drove home from Provo. When I got home I read Josh’s comments. What a difference from the many conversations we had in Provo! Our team talked to over a dozen BYU professors including two religion professors. Even though they admitted the vast differences between our beliefs they all spoke respectfully. The same goes for the vast majority of other people we talked with. For example, one afternoon I spent almost two hours talking to a grad student. He listened carefully and responded respectfully. He never tried to twist my words nor did I try to twist his words. We never made light of each other. Although we parted acknowledging our different beliefs, we parted with a better understanding of each other. That sharp contrast between what I experienced in Prov and Josh’s comments moved me to blackball Josh from this blog.

  19. August 13, 2012 at 2:33 am

    President Monson, the current Prophet of the LDS Church stated that Mormons save themselves…

    “May we ever remember that the mantle of membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a cloak of comfort but rather a robe a responsibility. Our duty, in addition to saving ourselves, is to guide others to the celestial kingdom of God.” (Ensign, August 2012, p. 4).

    The Bible teaches that God saved us…

    Titus 3:5 KJV “ Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us…”

    2 Timothy 1:8-9 KJV “…God; Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began”

  20. August 13, 2012 at 4:03 am

    Mark , good to see you’re back home safely . There’s going to be many LDS saved as a result of their
    coming in contact with you and your crew and listening to your message . These people are hungry
    for a full relationship with God . Josh does’nt seem understand what Jesus means by ” Come unto Me ”
    [ Matt.11:28 ] and that’s sad . I hope one day he will slow down and allow God to show him the truth .

    Kent, It seems incredible how some Mormons have relegated Paul’s preaching to just some “first principles
    of the Gospel” , that’s certainly not the picture one gets when reading the Epistles . But I can see how that
    reasoning conveniently serves as an alibi in order to make way to justify adding to the gospel of salvation
    Paul preached . False prophets/apostles can be quite creative in trying to sell their product .

  21. 21 Kent
    August 13, 2012 at 7:51 am

    W.W., What Mormons don’t see is that their so called fullness of the gospel, a bunch of ordianances and expectations of all kinds of works piled on to the real true gospel, actually cancels out the true gospel as the Bible says it is either grace, which is a free gift that doesn’t come after all we can do, or it is works, not both.

    I shared with my church this morning about what Mark has been doing in Provo Utah and one of the worship leaders said, “great, maybe they can go to Mitt Romney’s house!”

    Wouldn’t that be something if Mr. Romney is actually elected president and someone does go to the White House and he is led by the Holy Spirit, after the visit or even during the visit, to leave the Mormon religion?

    SAVED=ETERNAL LIFE!

    BY NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

  22. August 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    I am thankful for all the efforts Mark has put forth, and for all the successes he has experienced and shared with us from his mission to Provo. It gives me reason to ask: “Why are face-to-face encounters with Mormons, by and large, so much more respectful, and so much more fruitful, when compared with encounters here on this blog?” Is it because the anonymous nature of the blogging beast attracts a different type of Mormon? A Mormon who relishes the prospect of antagonizing Christians by baiting them into battles of wits without actually having to face their perceived evil opponents? When I compare and contrast the general tone of the Christian and Mormon comments left here over the past four years, my conclusion is that while this blog has attracted some of the best of Christians, it has regrettably brought us the worst of Mormons.

    Our last active Mormon poster is no longer with us. I neither rejoice nor lament that fact. Rather, his departure has caused me to reflect once again on the intended purpose of this blog. At the top of this page is a small button labeled, “about.” I would encourage you to click on it, and read what it says. There you will learn the intended purpose of this blog was never to provide an apologetics forum for Christians to debate with Mormons. Rather, the intended purpose of this blog was for teaching, equipping and encouraging Christians on how to effectively witness to their Mormon friends, neighbors, co-workers and family members. Mark’s blog posts are achieving that intended purpose. I can’t say as much for the vast majority of our follow-on comments.

    We all have those Mormon friends, neighbors, co-workers, and family members, do we not? This is where the focus of our attention should be, with Mormons we know and can reach out to, not with Mormons who come to the blog with a hostile agenda. I would much more prefer reading about your own personal witnessing experiences you’ve had with real live Mormons – your successes, your failures, your challenges – rather than reading through all the endless and circular and reoccurring debates and arguments with internet Mormons, all of which never seem to lead to fruition.

    I would neither encourage nor discourage Mormons from posting their comments here in the future. But all the same, I would encourage Christians to keep in mind the purpose for Mark’s blog, and to respond to those Mormon comments accordingly.

  23. 23 Kent
    August 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    RLO, I find that if I try to just get Mormons to see why I believe what I believe, even if they don’t agree with what I am saying, based on the scriptures I am presenting to them, it plants valuable seeds in their hearts.

    I try to keep being critical of Mormon teachings to a minimum as, for example, when I was critical of Joseph Smith’s teachings with a couple of missionaries they were turned completely off of what I was saying.

    One time I walked up to two missionaries in the parking lot of a Wall Mart and I told them that they could know, now, not later, that they have eternal life and while they turned off for a moment when I defined eternal life as not meaning that anyone can become gods ourselves, I felt it necessary to define the term as I was using it, they did listen intently when I explained why I believe saved equals eternal life and that saved doesn’t just mean that we have a chance for eternal life. They actually thanked me for my information and my experience with them was like Mark’s experience in Porvo as at least I left them with something to think about.

    Here are the scriptures I gave them. I especially pointed out how that he who doesn’t have the Son of God does not have life, from 1 John 5, and how it ties in with, from Romans 10, that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead we shall be saved, about how, if we don’t confess the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, it would follow that we would not be saved.

    I did get a frown from one of the young man when I said that I don’t believe in any kind of general salvation but all in all it was productive and some seeds were planted.

    1 John 5:10-13

    10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
    11 And this is the record, that GOD HATH GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON.
    12 HE THAT HATH THE SON HATH LIFE; AND HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.13 THESE THINGS HAVE I WRITTEN UNTO YOU THAT BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD; THAT YE MAY KNOW THAT YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, AND THAT YE MAY BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD.

    Romans 10:9-13

    9 THAT IF THOU SHALT CONFESS WITH THY MOUTH THE LORD JESUS, AND SHALT BELIEVE IN THINE HEART THAT GOD HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, THOU SHALT BE SAVED.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
    12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
    13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    In closing again:

    SAVED=ETERNAL LIFE!

    BY NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

  24. August 14, 2012 at 5:02 am

    Kent;

    Thanks for responding. Your policy of avoiding being critical of Joseph Smith or Mormon doctrine is consistent with the approach Mark shares in his book, “Speaking the Truth in Love to Mormons.” If you haven’t already read his book, I recommend it.

    I’m curious how you would compare your own experiences with Mormons online to your experiences with Mormons in person? I have admittedly tired of the Mormon voice online. But even though I am now inclined to refrain from engaging with internet Mormons altogether, I still don’t want those disappointing online Mormon experiences to prejudice the real-life experiences I occasionally have with Mormons.

    Robin

  25. 25 wyomingwilly
    August 14, 2012 at 7:50 am

    RLO, I would agree that most of the Mormons we come in contact with on the internet are different
    than most we would meet away from the internet . The biggest difference is that those who come on
    sites like this usually want to vent their dislike for ministries like this one , whether it’s because of a
    persecution complex or perhaps they have had a bad experience with one internet ministry and so
    they hate all ministries , I don’t know . But one thing that I learned years ago while ministering to
    in a religion much like Mormonism is that I expect a lot of rationalizing from them that way nothing
    they use as a “answer” surprises me . Every time I approach a dialogue with internet Mormons
    I actually expect any type of excuse for why they feel they’re not following false prophets . This is
    why I don’t get overly frustrated with them .( I’m not saying that I’m always efficient in defending my
    faith with them but I’m just not bothered any more by some of their responses back to me etc ).
    Anyway I hope you can glean something from this experience of mine that may help you . I’m always
    reminding myself that it is’nt just for those Mormons who show up here but for the many more who are
    reading what we say but may never participate in the discussion . We plant a lot of seeds more than
    anything else , Jesus does the rest . WW

  26. 26 Kent
    August 14, 2012 at 8:34 am

    RLO, it is only recently I have tried to keep being critical of Mormon teachings to a bare minimum, I still bring some things up at times but I try to stay focused on what the Bible says rather than on their issues.

    One issue, at times, that I have recently brought up to them is how Jesus said He is the only way to God the Father and I compare that to how Brigham Young said we need Joseph Smith’s consent to be with Him and I show them how Mr. Young’s comments are inconsistant with what Jesus said. One set of missionaries became angry and rode off on their bikes while another pair listened to what I had to say and could see why I thought there is a contradiction and even though they said they didn’t agree, at least it gave them food for thought.

    I have actually have been compared to Hitler by an on line Mormon, not here though, but on another site, so at times engaging them in any kind of discussion can be frustrating.

    However, often when I am posting scriputure, even though some Mormons can be combative, I get a prompting from the Holy Spirit that someone other than the person who is responding is following the discussions and they are questioning what they have been taught by their church so I should keep doing what I have been doing on line and the message I get from Him is that souls are actually at stake regardless of how the person who responds is responding.

    One thing about dealing with Mormons in public as opposed to on line is that especially with missionaries they have a certain PR protocol that they can’t be combative with the public but on line they would have a chance to vent their feelings more.

    SAVED=ETERNAL LIFE!

    BY NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

  27. August 14, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    WW, Kent;

    Thanks. Your comments and encouragements are appreciated.

    Robin

  28. 28 Kent
    August 15, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    RLO, I would like to direct you to a discussion I have been having with a Mormon at another site, if you get the chance, look at the end of the comments for the dialouge as there are hundreds of comments on that thread. You can see that discussions between people who are in complete disagreement don’t have to be confilcits, even on line.

    But there are times when I am prompted by the Holy Spirit when I should end a converstion. When this case I get the impressiion that no one else at this time is looking in on the discussion as, as i have stated, I often will continue in a conversation if I am prompted that someone else besides the person(s) that are responding is out there questiioning what the Mormon Church has taught them.

    By the way, this is a site run by a Mormon who I have been having respectuful conversations with for over two years now so, addition to the recent Mormon who has also been respectful, it shows we can be cordial to each other even if we agree on virutally nothing.

    Of course, it was on this site on another thread where another Mormon compared me to Hitler, Lol! I have to laugh about it otherwise I could find myself getting stressed out.

    http://www.mormondna.org/mormon-beliefs/mormons-planet-die.html#comments

    SAVED=ETERNAL LIFE!

    BY NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

  29. 29 choosethechrist
    August 18, 2012 at 3:21 am

    Kent said, “However, often when I am posting scriputure, even though some Mormons can be combative, I get a prompting from the Holy Spirit that someone other than the person who is responding is following the discussions and they are questioning what they have been taught by their church so I should keep doing what I have been doing on line and the message I get from Him is that souls are actually at stake regardless of how the person who responds is responding.”

    I have felt this as well Kent. Everything that I have ever posted or shared with a Mormon has always come with a strong leading of the Holy Spirit. The posts that I have made in the past on this blog are really VERY out of character for me. I also knew that while I was not getting anywhere with the Mormons I dialoged with on this blog, I knew that there had to be someone reading what I was posting or I would not have had such a strong desire to share what I had been posting.

    My experience in all of this is that there really is no right or wrong way to witness. God made us all differently and He uses us all differently according to what He has given us. The Bible is full of imperfect people who were used by God to accomplish His will.

    I understand why some might want to use the approach of not being critical of Joseph Smith or church doctrines, but you never know what might just work for someone. I just watched a video with Lee Baker in which he shared that his conversion experience began with a Christian simply asking if he knew that Joseph Smith had boasted about doing more Jesus had. You just never know who God is going to touch and with what.

    ► 29:13► 29:13

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jbJK-FFfkQ

  30. 30 choosethechrist
    August 18, 2012 at 3:26 am

    P.S.
    I have been compared to Hitler by a non-receptive Mormon as well.


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