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A Different Perspective

Sometimes it’s easy to show the difference between Mormonism and Christianity.  But sometimes the difference is more subtle.  Sometimes it’s not so much what is said but more the perspective taken and the emphasis made.

An example of what I’m talking about is in the talk given by President Henry B. Eyring at the last General Conference.  In his talk entitled, “Come unto Me” he states:  “I experienced the joy of coming closer to the Savior and of His coming closer to me most often through simple acts of obedience to the commandments.”  That statement serves as a good summary of his entire talk.  It is all about our being obedient and devoted.

Now it’s true that we can feel closer to Jesus through obedience.  We all know how sin separates us from God.  But look again at President Eyring’s statement.  He says that he most often feels closer to Jesus through obedience. I don’t know how many Christians identify with that.  I know I don’t.

What makes me feel close to Jesus?  It’s when I am overwhelmed once again by his love for me – a love that I don’t deserve or merit.  When I think about what he all did for me – all his blood, sweat, and tears that he expended to save me, that is what makes me feel closer to him.  Or when I once again experience my loving Father blessing me even though I didn’t merit it – that’s when I feel close to God.  In short, what makes me feel close to God is seeing what he has done and continues to do for me – not what I do for him.

But President Eyring mentions none of that.  For me, his silence speaks volumes about the differences between Mormonism and biblical Christianity.

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15 Responses to “A Different Perspective”


  1. 1 KEPHER MBOSHE
    June 14, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    I testify that i can not understand how any intelligent man could think that anyone without the help of the Lord could have produced the BOOK OF MORMON Which has been before us now for more than 100 years&has stood the test during all that period of

  2. 2 KEPHER MBOSHE
    June 14, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Time,notwithstanding the ridicule that has been brought against it.for one reason&then another,Today that Book which was translated by Joseph Smith as the instrumentality of the Lord,stands out supreme.i want to testifythat the Book of Mormon is Tr

  3. June 15, 2013 at 3:47 am

    Kepher, you seem to have strong feelings about the Book of Mormon , and you testify that it ” stands out
    supreme ” today . I have a testimony of the Bible being God’s word , what it reveals about God , Jesus and
    how a person can receive eternal life —the gospel of salvation —- is what has changed people’s lives for
    2000 years now . The apostle Paul went among the people and preached the gospel of salvation ( Rom 1:16)
    People received forgiveness , entered into a personal relationship with Jesus , and received eternal life in
    heaven with God and the fullest of blessings there . It was the ” good news” then , and it still is today .
    That gospel of salvation is still mighty to save all who come to Jesus and bow before Him ( Heb 7:25 ) .
    The Book of Mormon contains truths about God , and also about Jesus that agree with the Bible . That’s
    great to know . However shortly after Book of Mormon appeared, Mormon leaders have claimed to reveal
    other spiritual truths about God , Jesus , and what is necessary for salvation (eternal life ) . That’s why Book
    of Mormon and Bible prophets have been described by these men as “dead prophets” , therefore it is
    important to follow the teachings of Mormon leaders since 1830 because they are supposedly officers
    of Jesus’ ” restored ” church . Therefore what the Bible and Book of Mormon teach as being required to
    receive salvation is not enough in these latter days ! But Jesus spoke to all of those who would come to
    Him and He fore warned to beware of prophets who will arise in the LATTER DAYS and introduce a
    gospel of salvation that is only a imitation of the true gospel like Paul preached . Please notice these warnings in Matt. 24;11, Galatians 1 : 8-9 . So Jesus warned us all to be on guard for these false prophets
    today . Now these prophets may be well dressed and polite men but they will offer their own ideas about
    God and salvation and try to convince people these ideas are true doctrines from Jesus .
    I have personally followed the counsel of one of Jesus’ true apostles ( see 1 John 4:1 ) and tested what
    Mormon leaders have taught since 1830 about God and salvation . This test involves taking time to
    compare what the Bible teaches with what Mormon leaders have taught , and I testify to you that as a
    result of complying with this counsel to test them , that the Holy Ghost has confirmed to me that I can’t
    trust the latter days prophets of Mormonism to be trustworthy guides in important spiritual truths .
    I love the Mormon people and it hurts to see these sincere people who desire to follow God be deceived by
    men today who claim to be God’s prophets/apostles.
    Kepher , may you take the time to test the teachings of Mormon leaders.

  4. 4 Tom
    June 16, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Uh…Getting back to the blog post…President Henry B. Eyring feels closer to the Savior through obedience because that is the true nature of the biblical gospel. As Christ says: “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love…” (John 15:10). And also “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my father, and I will love him, and manifest myself unto him.”

    Henry B. Eyring “identifies” with the true biblical gospel and the true Jesus Christ, and this is why he feels closer to the Savior through obedience.

    As Mark Cares says: “I don’t know how many Christians identify with that. I know I don’t.” This is simply because evangelical Christianity isn’t biblical and doesn’t understand the true biblical gospel. It is extremely difficult to “identify” with that which you have no understanding of…

  5. 5 markcares
    June 17, 2013 at 3:34 am

    Tom:
    If evangelical Christianity isn’t biblical, why do so many LDS people say that they are Christians like us? It would seem as if they would want to state clearly how differently they believe.

  6. June 17, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Tom, I appreciate that you mention the ” Biblical gospel ” , because the Bible does reveal what it means
    to feel/draw closer to Christ . The New Testament records the coming of Jesus Christ the Savior , He came
    to seek that which was lost , that’s me . He died for me , the innocent for the guilty —Rom 5:8-10 , 6:23 .
    Jesus has asked all to come to Him —Matt 11:28 . By confessing my sin and asking for forgiveness He will
    pardon me and give me eternal life . This is being “saved ” ( Eph 2:8,9) it is a gift and because of receiving
    it I can look forward to living in God’s presence in heaven with the fullest of blessing there —I can’t earn that.
    That is the Biblical gospel of salvation . Now the point I really wish to mention is that upon coming to Jesus
    and being pardoned I then can experience a personal relationship with Him and the Father . This wonderful
    new relationship does involve doing what Jesus has asked . I am overwhelmed that Jesus could pardon me
    by His grace and this propels me to do good things like live the godly principles which are written for us
    in the N.T. , I get to bring glory to His name ! It’s crucial to remember though that a personal relationship
    with Jesus involves more than this , to know Jesus , to draw close to Him is to praise and worship Him
    it’s a one on one direct interaction with Him that takes place when I pray to Him . Eternal life is personally
    knowing , not just know about , the Father and the Son —Jn 17:3 .
    That’s my testimony . By the way , I feel Mark indeed understands the ” Biblical gospel ” .

  7. June 17, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Tom this is a subtle flip of the Gospel, it is the mindset if we are become obedient to God laws we can move ourselves closer to Him, the quintessential example of this is Saul before Paul as Saul met the standards of the Law to the highest degree, but upon his conversion he realised he actually was the “chief of sinners” this is why the gospel of Jesus Christ is a stumbling stone for many, because all other religions are focused on man raising himself up to God rather than God raising man up to Him. The truth is as we receive God’s love it changes our hearts and we begin to walk not by the letter of the law but the spirit, this is summarized in the scriptures below, for you can fulfill all of God’s commandments but if you haven’t done them in love than you have stumbled in them all. And then how can one love God if he hasn’t received Gods love, and how can one receive God’s love if he is spiritually dead? so a man must be reborn for all of this to happen, and rebirth is only of the true Gospel, for if it is not true it is lies and lies lead to death.

    Henry B. Eyring “identifies” with the true biblical gospel and the true Jesus Christ, and this is why he feels closer to the Savior through obedience.

    Tom this statement cannot be true because Mormonism does not teach a “Biblical Gospel”, they teach LDS Church Gospel which is comprised of , Excerpts from the bible, the book of Mormon, the Pearl of great price. the Doctrine and Covenants, the teachings of the church prophets and Apostles etc etc etc. And as we are trying to show you, it directly and covertly contradicts what is in the Bible itself.

    Matthew 22:36-40
    New International Version (NIV)
    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Romans 9:30-33
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    Israel’s Unbelief

    30 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness[a] did not succeed in reaching that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 as it is written,

    “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;
    and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

    Tom if you ever would be interested in a more personal exchange please feel free to contact me.

    Jeff Alverson

  8. 8 Kent
    June 18, 2013 at 5:39 am

    Kepher said, “I testify that i can not understand how any intelligent man could think that anyone without the help of the Lord could have produced the BOOK OF MORMON Which has been before us now for more than 100 years&has stood the test during all that period of”

    Kepher also said, “Time,notwithstanding the ridicule that has been brought against it.for one reason&then another,Today that Book which was translated by Joseph Smith as the instrumentality of the Lord,stands out supreme.i want to testifythat the Book of Mormon is Tr”

    Well, then why, if you truly foilowed the Book of Mormon would you never be in the presence of Heavenly Father and never ever be in what Mormons call the Celestial Kingdom? Because most significant Mormon doctrine, including the Mormon temple required for Mormon eternal life and Mormon exaltation, isn’t even in the BOM so it does not, as the introduction to the BOM states, contain the fullness of the gospel.

    Why is the BOM stressed so much when it really contains relaltively little of what Mormonism is today? So how can we be closer to God by following its precepts, as Joseph Smith said, if we could never be in His presence by doing so?

  9. 9 Tom
    June 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Gentlemen,
    Thanks for the responses.  I find this subject an interesting focal point that highlights the differences between evangelical Christianity and Mormon Christianity.

    Jeff,  you are absolutely right when you say that followers of Christ are to obey the commandments in love.  Love is the fulfilling of the law.  As your verses above say, we must love God, and love Man…on this hangs all the law and the prophets.  This is the difference between works based righteousness and faith based righteousness, just as you mention above…the laws are written in our hearts (faith based) and are not simply “deeds” (works based) (Heb. 10:16).  This is the “New Covenant” ushered in by Christ.  Its all about love.

    What evangelical Christianity fails to recognize is that just because laws are now faith based and done out of love and not obligation as deeds, they are not optional.  Our salvation is maintained by our obedience to the laws of the gospel.  Sin is sin and God does not overlook sin.  Sin is not ‘hidden’ for believers.  There is no vail that prevents God from seeing the sins of believers.  This is clearly spelled out in the Bible.  Those who preach that our sins are no longer seen by God or no longer affect our salvation are preaching another gospel and will pay a heavy price.  Romans makes this VERY clear:   For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 6:23).  This applies to believers and non-believers alike…there is no difference when it comes to sin.  Sin equals death.

    Through Christ, however, we have the opportunity to repent of our sins and eliminate them from our lives.  Eliminating sin means not sinning.  Not sinning is obeying his commandments.  When we are obeying his commandments, we are not sinning.  This was basically his entire message.  This is the great gift of the atonement…if we stop sinning, the atonement is effective in our lives because Christ paid the price of our sins and we don’t have to.  That price was death.  If we continue to sin, then we get to pay the price of death and lost salvation.  This is extraordinarily clear in the Bible.  Paul is particularly clear on this… (Rom 6:14-16):  

    For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.  What then?  Shall we sin, because we are not under the law but under grace?  God forbid.  Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to who ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    Please don’t ignore this verse as you did my other verse.  Realize that Paul is talking to believers who are under grace, and telling them that if they yield to sin, they will pay the price of death.  This is also very clear in Hebrews (Heb 10:26):

    For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowlege of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

    So this is where evangelical Christianity gets lost.  You talk and preach about faith in Christ, and yet you don’t understand that true faith in Christ is faith in his message, and that message is obedience to his laws…Why do you think he preached the sermon on the mount?  Just to hear himself talk? This is why James says faith without works is dead.  Its like faith in exercise without exercising to get fit…its worthless.  Faith and obedience are inextricably intertwined…you can’t have one without the other.  As Christ himself says: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death” (John 8:51). What do you think it means to “keep my saying…”?

    Here is a sobering thought for you:  Since Christ paid the price for each and every one of your sins, each time you sin, you are responsible for more of the punishment that Christ endured on the cross.  Think on that…This is why sin is so reprehensible and must be stopped.  As it says in Hebrews:  Of how much sorer punishment suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, where with he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (Heb 10:29)

    And Mike R:
    I think I can summarize your point like this:  For evangelical Christianity:
    “Saved = Obedience”
    For LDS theology it looks more like this:
    “Obedience = Saved”
    Lets see which one is biblical…
    (Rom 6:17-18):
    But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have OBEYED from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.  Being THEN made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
    “Obedience = Saved”

    (Rom 2:6-7) Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seed for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life.
    “Obedience = Saved”

    And my favorite: (Heb 5:9):
    And he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.
    “Obedience = Saved”

    I could cite more, but wow, it just does’t get any clearer than that…Obedience = Salvation.  Mormonism is the true gospel of the Bible.

    And Mr. Cares:  You toss out a little red herring mis-direction with your comment.  The LDS don’t want to be “like” you in the sense of embracing your form of Christianity.  We are quite comfortable with our theology because its the only biblical theology.  We simply want to be labeled as “Christian” like other denominations are labeled “Christian”…

  10. 10 JRSG
    June 19, 2013 at 9:03 am

    @ Tom – excellent reply. Thank you.

  11. June 19, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Tom, I think you summed your comments when you said , ” Mormonism is the true gospel of the
    Bible. ” Trouble is , nothing could be farther from the truth . The gospel that saves is what Paul taught
    ( Rom 1:16) was necessary for a person to be reconciled to God and receive the fullness of eternal life
    in God’s presence in heaven , yet you’ve attempted to dress up what Mormon leaders have taught as
    necessary to receive such as being the same gospel Paul taught . But that picture does’nt hang straight .
    There is actually such a difference between the gospel of salvation Paul taught compared to what has been
    advertised as that same gospel having been “restored” 1700 later by men claiming to be Jesus’ apostles
    (Mormon leaders) , that a choice needs to made as to which gospel to embrace for salvation . Paul’s
    concern for the true gospel to be safe guarded from altering by men arising especially in the latter days
    that he penned Gal. 1:8-9 . Today, in these latter days , we can use this scriptural counsel to evaluate the
    teachings of men who try and mimic the claims of Jesus true ‘ apostles . Was the true gospel of salvation
    “restored ” through Mormon leaders ( Joseph Smith) ? It’s true that there are some things which the
    restored gospel has in common with what Jesus’ original apostles taught ( faith, repentence etc )
    However , Mormon apostles have succumbed to the behavior that Paul warned would happen —they veered
    from strictly embracing the true gospel and proceeded to mix their ideas into it and the resulting
    amalgamation thus diluted the saving power and purity of the true gospel — Rom 1:16 with Gal 1: 8-9 .
    Another outlandish claim by Mormon leaders is that salvation was unavailable for 1700 years following
    the deaths of Jesus’ apostles because of a universal / complete apostasy . Claims like this are a
    reason Jesus fore warned us all to be on the lookout for false prophets in the latter days ( Matt 24;11) ,
    because this seems to be a teaching many of them advertise .
    Now , as I mentioned in my comments to you yesterday , what I really wanted to say was concerning what
    it means to draw close to Christ , to as Jesus asked , “Come unto me ” . Apparently you chose not to
    explain that . I’m not going to say that you ignored that ( like you accused Jeff of ignoring you ) . I explained
    what the N.T. reveals about what it means to come to Christ , to know Him and thus have a personal
    relationship with Him , and that’s all I can do .
    Lastly, you said you could summerize my points I made in my last post . Well, I’m not certain that you
    accomplished that so I’ll say this about ” saved = obedience” vrs the LDS ” obedience = saved ” .
    For me , “saved ” = saved from the penalty of my sin which is eternal separation from God . This penalty was
    replaced with the gift of eternal life the moment I surrendered and admited my guilt and asked for forgiveness
    from God , then Jesus’ righteousness was reckoned to me and I stand before God worthy . My home is now
    in heaven with God when I die —all because of Jesus’ work and worthiness for me . The “obedience” on my
    part was for me to humble myself and come to Jesus and trust that He died personally for me.
    Then the Holy Spirit came to dwell in my heart and now helps me live for Jesus and do what pleases Him—
    not to get saved , but out of gratitude of having been pardoned and saved . This compels me to praise Him
    and a inner desire to bring Him glory . Eph 2:8-10 ; Rom 3:24-25,28; 4:1-8 ; Phil 3:9 ; speak to this .
    When I see how Mormon leaders have taught that to dwell in the presence of God must be earned , that
    by strict obedience to commandments is the way a person earns the celestial kingdom ; that you can
    merit/earn eternal life ( exaltation) by works , then I say that may be a gospel but it is not the true
    authentic one that Paul preached . Eternal life is a gift given by God to those who surrender to Jesus and
    have faith in Him ( Jn 5:24; Rom 10:9-13 ) the fullness of that life with Him in heaven can never be earned by
    doing works — Rom 11:6 .

  12. June 19, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Tom thanks for your reply,

    You said “love is the fulfilling of the Law” I would clarify and say the Law cannot be fulfilled without love.
    What I feel is important for you to see is you cannot be righteous before God by your own works, you me and every one stumble under the law. I believe although you deny it you Mormonism puts this yoke upon their members, The law is a mirror that reveals man’s fallen sinful nature, though we do not disregard it’s value we understand it’s place.
    Romans 3:20
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
    For example the Jesus said “The first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart all your soul and your mind”. I don’t think anyone fully understand what this truly means, I will confess I do not either but I have a glimpse, because I know I cannot meet this first and great commandment, I have a sin nature that is self-centered among many things. (see parable of the Rich young ruler) Jesus is the only perfect example of this Love, this love was tested by the cross and on more levels than we can fathom, it was not merely external obedience but perfect internally in all ways, love, desire etc. The Mormons standards put the focus on the external, tithing, law of chastity, fasting, church attendance, temple works, serve missions, you say we are under a new law of faith and must obey Gods commandments, yet the LDS church still has legalistic standards of obedience. Are you not interviewed by the Bishop to determine if you meet the prescribed levels of obedience that you might be determined” worthy” before men and God. To be truthful the Mormons standards are insufficient to meet Gods standards.
    In Biblical Christianity Jesus fulfills the law so that we are no longer under the law and moves the focus from external behavior to internal attitudes; you see this in the Sermon on the Mount.
    Matthew 5:20
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    I disagree with your definition of works based righteousness and faith based righteousness, works based righteousness is based on self-improvement its one of raising yourself to God standards by acts of good works it’s self-justification and I believe Mormonism teaches this. As listed in the LDS Gospel Principles manual pg 277 – 278 this is a legalistic prescription to achieve “Exaltation”
    It is important to understand your sin the sin outside of the LDS church standards, is in your heart, there no way you can even begin to see it all let alone repent of every internal sin of the heart.

    Matthew 15:17-20
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?[a] 18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. 20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”

    Faith based righteousness is the act of trusting in God Paul explains this well. My righteous today before God is faith based, it the righteousness of the perfect one that covers me.
    Philippians 3:4-10
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    4 though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law,[a]blameless. 7 But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— 10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death.
    You say Sin is sin and God does not overlook sin. Sin not “hidden” for believers. We are truly righteous before God standing in the righteousness of Christ. Does God still see our sin, certainly as He is sanctifying us and God see all things? Christians still suffer from the consequences of sin, although I believe in mercy, the penalty of sin has been paid, but remember God also chastens those he loves.
    Tom I wish I had more time to give you a more detailed response as I feel I just shown the tip of the iceberg in regards to a complete response to the Mormon gospels and what I believe the Bible teaches, and I will confess, I have so much to learn myself.

    Take care Friend.

  13. 13 Kent
    June 27, 2013 at 3:42 am

    To any Mormons who visit this page. Read the following passages and see why I believe modern day temples such as the Mormon temple are not needed.

    John 2:18-21

    18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”
    19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
    20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
    21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

    Matthew 27:45-51

    45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”
    47 Some of those who stood there, when they heard that, said, “This Man is calling for Elijah!” 48 Immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and offered it to Him to drink.
    49 The rest said, “Let Him alone; let us see if Elijah will come to save Him.”
    50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
    51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split

    Hebrews 10:19-20

    19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh

    John 14:6

    6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

  14. 14 Kent
    June 27, 2013 at 4:07 am

    Mormons, read the following passages that show why I believe I already have eternal life because I have believed on the the Son of God, that whoever has the Son has eternal life. They also show why I believe that I nor anyone else can ever be Gods ourselves, that there have never been any Gods except for God, and there never will be any other Gods except for God.

    1 John 5:9-13

    9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
    10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
    11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
    12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
    13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    Matthew 22:30

    30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

    Isaiah 43:10

    10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

    Isaiah 44:6

    6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

  15. 15 Kent
    June 27, 2013 at 4:12 am

    I said, “They also show why I believe that I nor anyone else can ever be Gods ourselves.” That should read, “They also show why I believe that I and anyone else cannot ever be Gods ourselves.”


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